The Art of Coaching
EPISODE 29
Join us for an insightful journey into the coaching world with hosts Mike and Mark in this new episode of the Moonshots Master Series. This episode delves into the multifaceted art of coaching, exploring fundamental principles, techniques, and philosophies that drive success in sports and leadership.
Segments:
INTRO
Featured Clip: Bill Belichick, renowned NFL coach, speaks to CNBC about his core leadership principles.
Highlight: "Tenets of Team Building" (Duration: 1 minute 50 seconds)
Discussion: Mike and Mark introduce the episode and set the stage for an engaging debate on coaching.The Legacy of Coach John Wooden
Featured Clip: Various professionals reflect on the significant contributions of Coach John Wooden to sports and leadership.
Highlight: "The 4 Things a Man Must Learn to Do" (Duration: 3 minutes)
Discussion: The hosts analyze Wooden's impact on coaching and its relevance in today's leadership landscape.MINDSET
Featured Clip: Michael Bungay Stanier, on The Brand Master Podcast, discusses three fundamental coaching questions: focus, advice-giving, and curiosity.
Highlight: "Laying the Foundation" (Duration: 4 minutes)
Discussion: Mike and Mark explore the importance of mindset in coaching, discussing how Stanier's questions can reshape coaching approaches.OUTRO
Featured Clip: Phil Jackson, legendary NBA coach, shares his insights on staying present and the concept of 'One Mind.'
Highlight: "Stay in the Flow" (Duration: 2 minutes 49 seconds)
Conclusion: The hosts wrap up the episode, summarizing key takeaways and reflecting on the transformative power of effective coaching.
Join us for this enlightening episode that will inspire coaches, leaders, and anyone interested in guiding others to excellence.
Transcript
00:00:05:02 - 00:00:29:15
Unknown
Hello, and welcome to the Moon Shots Master series. It's episode 29. I'm your co-host, Mike Parsons, and as always, I'm joined by Mr. Mark Bisson Freely. Good morning. My Hey, good morning, Mike. Good morning, listeners, viewers as well as subscribers. We have an action packed episode 29 of the Masters Series today. Mike we are diving into probably one of our favorite topics.
00:00:29:18 - 00:00:52:21
Unknown
Sometimes the topic comes up in our shows and in our master series, but today we've got an exclusive opportunity to dive much deeper into this topic and idea of coaching. Hoo ha, indeed. And you know what's funny? A coachable moment right now is I think because we're almost at the end of the year, the Christmas party has started here at Moonshots headquarters.
00:00:52:23 - 00:01:12:17
Unknown
I intend to admit to all of our members that we always say Good morning, Mark, but it's actually 4:00 in the afternoon. I think this is like insider news here for our members. So, yeah, we're going to stick with the story. It's still it's morning somewhere in one of the far corners of the planet that we have a member.
00:01:12:17 - 00:01:34:02
Unknown
Right. I think the way I see it, Mike, is we are always opening a new dawn with each episode. it is a new day. It's a new opportunity to learn something new out loud. so I think I'm okay with sticking with Good morning. Every time I feel as though that's how I think of this opportunity to keep on growing as an individual.
00:01:34:05 - 00:01:57:24
Unknown
Well, yeah, in such a role, I just need to remind you, this is not a poems master series. We. Your poetry was just delightful. There is is coaching. And I think what we want to set up for our members is seriously, this is something that can change not only your life, but even more so the people around you.
00:01:58:01 - 00:02:21:00
Unknown
If you decide to be open to the coaching and the mentoring of others, you can grow as a person, you can grow, you can learn from your ups and downs, you can embody a growth mindset. But the crazy thing is, if that wasn't good enough, becoming an expert through others coaching you, you get a chance to give back to the universe by coaching others.
00:02:21:00 - 00:02:39:15
Unknown
And we believe here at the Moonshots podcast that everybody has something to teach so we can all be a coach. It's not just that old guy with the gray hair in the ivory tower. I'm baby. This is for every single one of us. We have something to ingest to take from others, to learn from others. And something to give back.
00:02:39:15 - 00:03:05:03
Unknown
Maybe give back even more than you receive. So, Mark, we've set up coaching is something that's full of a whole lot of good karma. It can really transform your personal and professional life. You know, athletic advice can really turn you into a great athlete. It doesn't matter what part of life we explore. Coach plays a vital role, so I'm dead keen to dig into this master series now.
00:03:05:06 - 00:03:34:01
Unknown
Me too, Mike. And I hope for all of our members we have an action packed show that's going to inspire, that's going to direct and maybe even teach you a couple of things that maybe you haven't even heard of before. So, Mike, let's get straight into it. Let's hear from one of our favorite individuals, Bill Belichick, the general manager of the New England Patriots, Mike, who has some great lessons for us specifically around leadership and also around his tenants of team building.
00:03:34:03 - 00:03:57:14
Unknown
If you had to describe the tenets of the principles of your leadership style or approach, what what would they be? Do your job, be attentive, pay attention to details and put the team first in football. To be successful as an individual player, you need your teammates and the better you connect with them, the better you interact as a team, the more successful you'll be individually.
00:03:57:16 - 00:04:18:11
Unknown
And I'd say we try to do things to help the team building process. Like what? Well, you know, on the field, if one person does something particularly good, then everybody receives a benefit. So now you're count on that other person, even though it might not be on your side of the ball, you might not even really like the guy.
00:04:18:11 - 00:04:46:22
Unknown
But if he does the right thing, we all get something, Well, you're pulling for him. And then off the field again, we do team building things where we get to know each other. We we throw away the cell phones and just do things that we're together as a team and we're experiencing together, whether it be, you know, going to a movie or we play games or, you know, do trivia or do really something like that, that just kind of bring everybody together, have fun, but take all the outside distractions out of it.
00:04:46:22 - 00:05:13:20
Unknown
Speaking of distractions, you're not a big fan of social media. Yeah, that would be put it mildly. I, I think I do all I can to fight it. You know, we have rules that, you know, prohibit our players from, you know, posting things on, you know, some face and all that we don't. And I think it's important for us to as a team to know each other, to know our teammates and our coaches, to interact with them more than it is to be liked by, you know, whoever on chat room.
00:05:13:22 - 00:05:40:18
Unknown
So we we try to encourage our the interaction and the personal contact and experiences and not really pay attention to what people are saying out there who don't even know Mark better go and register in Facebook.com. I feel you'd pick up on that. But hey, listen, you you look at him and we should set this up for those who are not NBA fans.
00:05:40:24 - 00:06:18:02
Unknown
He NFL fans, he is the most successful NFL coach in history. So the richest, biggest sports competition on the planet, NFL. We're talking games that in the postseason are all getting ten, 20, 30, 40 million viewers. Mark, this is how big this sport is. And he's the best ever. He has more Super Bowls than any other. And do you hear when you what I hear in his voice is it's like he's like the David Goggins of coaching.
00:06:18:04 - 00:06:43:07
Unknown
He's like social media and everybody is going to get focused and detail and focus on their job. And we will act as a team in anything that comes between them being a team. You can see he's literally eradicating it. He's like, Get rid of that social media, Get rid of all of the distraction. We're here to focus as one.
00:06:43:09 - 00:07:18:11
Unknown
And isn't it interesting how a group of individuals need to be facilitated and brought together? A group of individuals need to be protected from distraction? I mean, think about it. He's payroll is off the charts. Do you realize that in any given team, he might have ten guys all earning over 10 million a year? And despite all of that, he's still got a job to do to get them focused, to get rid of distractions.
00:07:18:11 - 00:07:44:00
Unknown
So if you want to think about coaching and leading and this is a big thing that we've discovered about the coaching mindset, it's like, you know, when you remember back in school, the teacher used to walk in and make a noise and say, All right, everybody head's up, right? It's like he's constantly doing the job of bringing people's focus to the objective, to the activity that they're in now.
00:07:44:02 - 00:08:23:04
Unknown
And this is one of the key things you can do, whether you think about at home, whether you think about in the office or whether you think about leading a massive organization, focus on what matters. I mean, there are whole books like John does. Okay. Yeah. You know, focus on what matters, measure what matters. All of these concepts come from the fact that there are distractions, and the more people you have together, your role as a coach is to bring people's attention to the practice, to the craft, to be in that moment and don't let other things get in their way.
00:08:23:04 - 00:08:45:18
Unknown
And I find that this is a battle that would describe my day, and I'm sure it describes you and many of our viewers and members experienced the same thing. They're always fighting for focus, right? Yeah. There's so much we've obviously delved into the idea of digital distractions with, you know, how Newport, we've delved into the idea of focus.
00:08:45:20 - 00:09:13:10
Unknown
But I think you're right, Mike, There's a lot of work that and I think we're starting to learn this even after one clip in this episode. On coaching, there's a lot of value for an individual who is that driving force with making sure and holding people accountable to holding focus and being focused in that present moment. Like we've heard throughout on the Moonshot show with our recent series on Sports Stars, Bringing the value of the coach.
00:09:13:10 - 00:09:33:15
Unknown
Value of a team leader is to bring all those individuals, all of whom might have, as you say, $10 million salaries. Maybe there's some egos at play, all of whom maybe they want to be the best player, the MVP on the pitch, bringing them all into the shared commonality. One mind, as Phil Knight would say, What is the ultimate goal, isn't it?
00:09:33:15 - 00:09:58:08
Unknown
It's trying to really lay down and focus that team. Now. I don't think that's easy. Like you just said, it's very, very difficult for me when I've got lots of different distractions going on to stay focused. So can you imagine how challenging that would be as a coach to try and make sure and hold everybody not only attention on you as the coach, but more importantly, all of their attention on the present moment?
00:09:58:10 - 00:10:24:06
Unknown
Maybe it's a game, maybe it's training, maybe it's actually going out in front of the cameras and giving it a good interview. It must be such a challenge, isn't it? But, you know, whether you're coaching like the best NFL team or whether you're just trying to live your life in your job, balancing your other priorities outside of your job, I think we can all relate to that.
00:10:24:08 - 00:10:52:10
Unknown
And I think one takeaway here is we all can be well served by the accountable bility of having a coach for ourselves, you know? Yeah, because I tell you what, if $10 million NFL players need it, then we all need it right now because they have all the economic incentive right to perform and to be focused. Yet I still need some help, right?
00:10:52:12 - 00:11:18:21
Unknown
You still need a little bit of help. Yeah. There was one clip, one moment that I heard within that clip from Bill where he says, Everybody benefits. that was excessive. Yeah. Yeah. And I think that's a really interesting call out from Bill. Obviously, as you say, you know, the man who holds the most Super Bowls, so he's he knows a thing or two about individuals who are successful as well as the individuals who maybe are on the bench.
00:11:19:02 - 00:11:41:15
Unknown
You know, they're there, but, you know, they aren't necessarily in the key moment. I think that was an interesting little insight from from Bill, because he's right. If you create the environment for all team members to put aside those distractions, as we were just saying, put aside any egos, you can find that joy and that benefit from working together.
00:11:41:17 - 00:12:04:13
Unknown
You can all share in that success if you are open and willing to be coached, you know? Yes, the idea of actually building that team I think, begins and the idea of coaching begins actually that step prior to sitting in front of somebody and saying, Hey, this is what you need to go out and do. Instead, it's on to getting them ready to learn, creating them to be a little bit more open.
00:12:04:18 - 00:12:24:03
Unknown
Yeah, And I think this idea of everybody wins is just the same as being a member of the Moonshots master series, who I couldn't agree more, Mike. I mean, as we know, we have such a plethora of fantastic individuals who join us week in, week out, and particularly on episodes just like Today on the Moon Shots Master series.
00:12:24:07 - 00:12:51:24
Unknown
It is reserved. Exactly. And specifically for you guys. So please, without further ado, blah, welcome in our members, including Bob, Ken, Dietmar, Marjan, Conor, Rodrigo, Lisa and Sid. Mr. Bond. Yeah. Paul Berg and Cowman. Joe, Christine, Samuel, Barbara, Andre, Chris and Deborah. Lisa, Steve Craig and Daniel. Andrew. Ravi. Eva and Karen. Raul, Nicola to Ingram, Dirk Harry Gothic Van Carter and Marco.
00:12:52:00 - 00:13:18:13
Unknown
Thanks guys for being with us for over a year. In fact, for Bob, it's two or three but soon to be on those record breaking streaks include Jett, Roger, Anna and Raw, Nick Malone, James, Diana, Wade, Christoph, Dennis, Laura and Smitty, Cora, Gail, Bertrand, Daniela, Mike and Dan Antonio, Vanessa, Zachary, Katie Austin and Fred Lorenzo, Jazz and Ola.
00:13:18:18 - 00:13:46:20
Unknown
I nearly lost my breath reading that entire list about I'm. I'm kind of knackered just listening to Mark. But no, we are really grateful to you. Our members. You know, just to give you a sense of how important your support is, we just got our new hosting bill for the audio podcast and it's now over $1,000 a year just to host the audio files.
00:13:46:22 - 00:14:07:07
Unknown
So your support helps us pay those bills and there's plenty of others that are associated with producing a podcast, and it gives us great joy to share all the insights to learn out loud with you guys. Thank you for your support and it's really just so special for us to share with you the cool stuff that we discover on how we can be the best version of ourselves.
00:14:07:09 - 00:14:33:18
Unknown
And if we're doing a coaching series, there's somebody who maybe you have not heard of because he was super big in the sixties and the seventies. This name is John Wooden and he is the most successful college basketball coach in history. I can't remember what it is, but it's ridiculous. It's like he won like ten national titles in a row.
00:14:33:20 - 00:14:58:19
Unknown
It's like crazy. Maybe. Mark, you can look that up. He he was on a tear. And you know what was really fascinating about John Wooden? He had this sort of this pyramid of success. Right. And he was the first really to lay out a set of values, sort of like Ten Commandments kind of a thing on how to instill the values, the behaviors and the norms, the culture of a winning team.
00:14:58:21 - 00:15:24:07
Unknown
And. Well, John Wooden, I think it's safe to say, is a special guy when you say. Mark Yeah, that's right. Mike The only build I can do there before we launch into the show was he won ten National Collegiate Athletic Association championships in 12 years with the UCLA Bruins. So he was nicknamed the Wizard of Westwood. So why don't we hear Mike from the Wizard of Westwood?
00:15:24:09 - 00:15:51:18
Unknown
In fact, actually, let's hear one better. Let's hear from a set of individuals, all of whom attribute their successes, attribute their mindset, attribute their ability to succeed within their fields, all towards Coach John Wooden. So let's hear about four Things A Man Must Learn by John Wooden. Coach Wooden was a great teacher, teaching the right way to live the greatest game.
00:15:51:23 - 00:16:14:18
Unknown
All the people out there play the game of life as great of a basketball coach as he was. I think you're missing it if you look solely at that and not at what his real purpose was, which was to teach people. When you talk to John Wooden, you would even know you talk to basketball coach. Now, he gained his fame teaching basketball, but it was the principles of life that people wanted to hear from.
00:16:14:20 - 00:16:36:06
Unknown
I'm not sure you can find a more impressive person. There may be others on that shelf he's on, but he's on the high show. My father never really mentioned winning. Win or lose. The expressions were always the same. He was probably most proud of a team that didn't win based on the fact that they did the best they could.
00:16:36:12 - 00:16:58:02
Unknown
His definition of success. I read it and I was like, Timeout. If I can help them be better people and better versions of themselves, their gymnastics will flourish. I don't know of anybody that expressed it better or put it to work any better than he did, and if you do it right, you can still win. You can still be the best.
00:16:58:04 - 00:17:25:21
Unknown
Some people write things and some people love them. And there's no question that he lived his words. He taught people that, you know, this really pays off. This is the right way to be. And that's not easy. But he certainly lived by that example. That's what was important to him, to make an impact in other people's lives and not expect anything that the players in East Coast, they still think, you know what we coach wouldn't want me to do.
00:17:25:23 - 00:17:52:09
Unknown
And that's about as good a legacy as you can ever think about have. And he gave them a gift because each day they were reminded of, here are the things that make you a quality person. I get excited about this idea of the pyramid going to all of society coaches pyramid is a way for you to be successful, not just in the game of basketball or a sport, but in the game of life.
00:17:52:09 - 00:18:19:04
Unknown
They're such basic truths and they transcend all cultures, all religions, whether you're a stay at home mom or whether you're a doctor, a lawyer, whether you're a basketball coach, or if you're a businessman, if you can study the pyramid of success that's going to change your life. And I always carried his little card on this creed, his poem that his dad taught him for things a man must learn to do if he would make his life more true.
00:18:19:06 - 00:18:46:23
Unknown
To think without confusion clearly, to love his fellow man sincerely, to act from honest motives purely to trust in God and heaven security. Everyone's job in life is to search for and learn from a master teacher. Why not give coach one to try? He's lived it all and he apologizes everything that I want to do. Well, I mean this.
00:18:47:00 - 00:19:15:21
Unknown
There's so many ways to take this part of my brain is walking a little bit. Okay, So one thing I want to do is get off straight off the bat. Here is this following idea that if I want every one of our members to understand this idea that they all know a thing, I don't know exactly what it is, but I guarantee you they all know a thing really, really well.
00:19:15:23 - 00:19:37:02
Unknown
And that is not only permission to share that with others or to coach others in that thing. I believe we all as humans need to pay it forward. So if we've been lucky to accumulate a skill on the inside, then we'll almost like I would say, we're obligated to give it back, to pay it forward on the outside to share that in.
00:19:37:04 - 00:20:05:16
Unknown
And what you see there was basically the who's who of American sport from all sorts of sports saying John Wooden is the man he's legacy. The fact that people are saying this is beyond religion for me, this is how to be the best version of myself. This is what's on offer. If you make a decision to coach others, to mentor others, to advise and help and support them to become their best selves.
00:20:05:18 - 00:20:39:01
Unknown
So if you're sitting there and you've got all of this knowledge on the inside, I can only ask you to watch that clip and see what it means when you give what you know to others. The price and the satisfaction of fulfillment that you can gain. Can you imagine that so much of what everybody talked about, it wasn't the sports results which were the best, it was the values they took.
00:20:39:03 - 00:21:13:17
Unknown
So if you've got something to give, this should be a huge motivator to go out into the world and give it. Now what I want to do is hijack a little bit and share quickly a screen here. My because this thing that I'm going to put up on the screen, this is actually his pyramid right now. What's critical to understand here for all of our members and viewers is that what you are going to see here is a set of values that I think what you have to remember in the sixties, in the seventies, this is the first time that someone had ever come along.
00:21:13:17 - 00:21:45:15
Unknown
There was no Tony Robbins, Right. There was none of this. This is something that was a practical tool to be the best vision. So it's like a moon shot up before moonshots. And I'm talking before the JFK, right? 5:00 Look at this. Being industrious, create friends, be loyal, cooperate with each other. Enthusiasm, intention, initiative, alertness. I mean, there is so much I mean, we could do 15, 20 goes on each and every one of the components of the pyramid of success.
00:21:45:17 - 00:22:09:15
Unknown
But it was this that he focused on because when he got these things right, the results came. And I believe it will be that metaphor and that analogy in your personal and professional life, teach people the right skills, the functional things, how to do specific activities. But there's something above that. If you look at this, this is a set of values.
00:22:09:20 - 00:22:41:10
Unknown
This is how people behave and treat each other, put those skills and behaviors together. And if you can teach those together, you have so much impact. Because if you think about Patrick Lincoln and his pyramid of teamwork, it has many similar themes. So someone who came along 30, 40 years later went into the enterprise and found things like trust, openness, accountability, many of those kind of things come from this pyramid of success from John Wooden.
00:22:41:12 - 00:23:10:06
Unknown
So if you want to like, embody a growth mindset, you need to think about how you can coach others and if you want a benchmark to do it. Mark It is John Wooden's pyramid of success that that film is incredible. It is literally the who's who, particularly of collegiate sports, like so many champions from gymnastics and basketball and football and so on and so on, all saying this system is the real business.
00:23:10:08 - 00:23:41:19
Unknown
I mean, that's what a treat to to discover these, right? Yeah. I mean, it's a really inspirational moment as we think about the concept of coaching. And we've delved into, you know, the work of Phil, we've delved into the work of Steve Kerr. This is on the moonshot show from members to go and check out. But you're right, Mike, The thing that we're hearing in that clip about John Wooden is not those ten or 12 championships.
00:23:41:21 - 00:24:06:00
Unknown
It is, in fact, the inspiration that he had. You know, I think his son was saying that he did not expect anything from others. He did not go in to a coaching situation and expect everybody to turn around and become, you know, the greatest of all time necessarily. He didn't even necessarily expect them to win. The fact that they went out and tried their best was enough.
00:24:06:02 - 00:24:33:16
Unknown
And I think that was exemplified actually by the quote that we've got behind us on screen. Success is Peace of Mind, which is a direct result of self-satisfaction in knowing that you did your best to become the best that you are capable of being. Isn't that a wonderful demonstration of Wooden's approach? He was just that selfless. He wasn't going after the glory that would come with being, you know, a coach within the UCLA space.
00:24:33:22 - 00:24:59:20
Unknown
Instead, it was specifically around the idea of helping people grow, helping people learn and helping people become as he, in his own words, become the best that you capable of becoming. I think that's such a great scene setter. Mike So the concept of coaching, we've understood that you can be inspired in sport, the leadership of the boardroom and so on, but just to take an entire step back and think, why do people get into coaching?
00:24:59:22 - 00:25:28:02
Unknown
Why is coaching something that inspires so many? I think it's down to the coaches like John Wooden, who just go out there and try and help people become better at what it is that they do. Yeah, it's such a wonderful story that and to think this is I'm I'm going to take a wild guess and say it's half a century old and we're like, yeah, we are noting with this one this one is spot on in 2023.
00:25:28:04 - 00:25:52:02
Unknown
Well, I absolutely agree. Violent agreement is the perfect and I think this is the real treat that too to witness great coaching to see the impact of it but to love it. This is already we've done a complete masterclass with Bill and John. But Mark, if there is one gift that we can give our listeners for Christmas, there's more.
00:25:52:04 - 00:26:16:20
Unknown
That's right. When now, as we've kind of set the scene, Mike, around leadership principles, we've just been absolutely knocked off our chairs in terms of inspirational round coach John Wooden. We're now going to get into a little bit more of the boardroom space, maybe a little bit more specifically into the house and maybe even the behaviors around what it is that you can do as an individual who wants to get into coaching.
00:26:16:22 - 00:26:40:00
Unknown
And we've got a great clip coming up from author Michael Boom Guy Stanier who's talking to the brand master podcast. He's going to give us three specifically fundamental questions that help us lay the foundation of becoming great coaches, starting on the focus question. Give us the premise of that. Yeah. So the focused question is what's the real challenge here for you?
00:26:40:02 - 00:26:59:24
Unknown
And the premise is the first challenge that shows up is never the real challenge and it's rarely the only challenge. We are wired to want to leap in to advice, giving in solution, providing and answer, ripping out and all of that sort of stuff so that when somebody comes and goes, are they? Stephen, here's the thing I'm wrestling with.
00:26:59:24 - 00:27:19:21
Unknown
You're like, you know what? I know how to help fix that and I want to help you. So you kind of get tempted to go into it. But actually, you know, if you build a reputation worker in your life as the person who always figures out the real problem, you just become immensely valuable to those around you.
00:27:19:23 - 00:27:45:15
Unknown
Because in most organizations, big and small, people are working really hard on stuff that doesn't really matter because it's the stuff that presented itself first. So this ability just to stay curious a little bit longer, rush to action and advice, giving a little bit more slowly, which is kind of the definition I use around coaching. Stay curious a little bit longer, you know, say curious about what the real challenge is.
00:27:45:17 - 00:28:07:05
Unknown
It means that when you really figure out what the real challenges the answers are, going to be actually really helpful. Well, the strategic question says we're always at our best when making choices in strategy is in fact having the courage to make bold choices. So the strategic question says, if I'm going to say yes to this, what must I say no to?
00:28:07:07 - 00:28:35:00
Unknown
You can flip that around and I'm going to say no to this. What must I say yes to? Yeah, but most commonly it's if I'm going to say yes to this one, what are the opportunity costs and what are the things that I have to set up barriers to and how do I actually commit to this? Because A Yes, without an understanding of what the no's are and that that that's the implication of a yes is that it must come with those just means that if you don't do that, you're just piling more yeses on.
00:28:35:00 - 00:28:57:06
Unknown
And that doesn't work because everybody's at capacity. Tell us about the learning question. Yeah. So if you lead people, you know, whether you have a big team or a small team, really one of your key jobs is to try and make your people smarter, because if they get smarter, they become more competent and more confident, self-sufficient and more autonomous.
00:28:57:08 - 00:29:18:22
Unknown
And that is not only good for them, it's good for you and it's good for your organization. So it's really helpful if you can help people learn. But it turns out it's really hard to help people learn. And one of the annoying things is that advice really sticks. You know, advice typically goes in one ear and out the other ear.
00:29:18:24 - 00:29:38:10
Unknown
Yeah. So when you sit down and go, Listen, Stephen, here are my pearls of wisdom. I got some gold. This is not going to remember much of that most of the time. Yeah, people don't even really know when they're doing it. I mean, they do a little bit, but not so much. The power. The most powerful learning moment is when you actively create a moment for learning.
00:29:38:12 - 00:30:02:23
Unknown
So that's what this final question, this is number seven of the seven is about. And the question is what was most useful or most valuable here for you was most useful and most valuable here for you. Yeah. And you can basically ask a question at the end of any exchange. I mean, like Stephen can asked this at the end of every podcast, he goes, okay, just been talking to this guest.
00:30:03:00 - 00:30:45:17
Unknown
If you had to name what was the most useful or most valuable here for you from this conversation, what's the one thing you really want to take away from this podcast conversation? You can see how that just turns up the heat a little bit from going. That was interesting. Michael Verboten, Even verboten. It was perfectly pleasant to listen to, to actually saying they met and, and why are it that those brain snaps and firing so yeah so advice rarely sticks so that's why you need to ask questions if you want to get your listeners excited, if you want to get your dogs excited, you got to ask the questions, right?
00:30:45:17 - 00:31:17:23
Unknown
Mike That's right. Mike I think this is for me setting the scene now as we think about coaching. He's remarkable guys and he's got a great ability to highlight some of the challenges that come with a variety of different facets, such as advice, giving, absorbing information, staying curious and so on. Specifically around this idea of coaching, where he's standing out to me within that clip is the idea of inspiring others to want to learn.
00:31:18:00 - 00:31:46:01
Unknown
You know, I think as we've already started understanding a little bit from the clips today, particularly with John Wooden, he had this ability to inspire others to try and get better at themselves. I think that's exactly where Bongi Stanley is sort of leaning here within that clip and those breakdowns of those three questions. You know, the idea of jumping straight into advice and telling people what to do, telling people how to play the game, telling people what what plays and moves to do on the court is the exact opposite.
00:31:46:01 - 00:32:06:21
Unknown
I think of where Wooden was probably leaning. And that, I think, is where Bongi is taking us within that clip as well. It's much more around, I think, trying to help others as we've got on the screen behind us. Stay curious. Want to get better, want to learn, want to be inspired, because if they're inspired, they're going to feel more confident.
00:32:06:23 - 00:32:45:11
Unknown
They're feeling more confident at work. They're probably going to be better workers or better players. I certainly, for one, when I'm feeling particularly pleased or maybe not pleased, that's probably one word. When I'm feeling particularly confident and particularly comfortable with the work that I'm doing, I think the quality as well as maybe even the speed is increased. If you exemplify that and start to realize if I behave like this and I can inspire others to behave a little bit like I am, suddenly I'm going to be surrounded by individuals who are all working towards that common goal with the same efficiency speed, creativity that I think we all wish that we could deliver every single
00:32:45:11 - 00:33:16:08
Unknown
day. And really it starts with collaboration and being coached. So if I go a little bit deeper, what I was hearing from Bongi Stainer is he was essentially giving us a technique on how we can become like Belichick and Wooden. And the insight was from how we learn and you know, how he was saying it. Like advice basically doesn't stick at all.
00:33:16:10 - 00:33:55:18
Unknown
It's about coaching is about creating a moment where the student truly connects their sign at pieces and figure something out. And I believe what we just saw was a demonstration of asking questions and then listening. One more question. Listening. In order to create that moment, if you want a student to truly embrace a learning moment, you have to use questions until you get to that moment and you say, okay, so imagine you and I have had a series of questions.
00:33:55:20 - 00:34:30:05
Unknown
So then we've identified the problem, we've got the context, we understand what's caused it. We know we need to achieve an outcome. And then the question would be, so where do we start Now? Even if I know the answer, Mark, and I'm giving you some coaching, even if I know the answer, I must not say anything. I have to let those big awkward moments where you're like, where do we start?
00:34:30:07 - 00:34:55:04
Unknown
I go to the coffee machine. I get like a triple espresso. But it's in those moments when I don't lead you and you are forced in your brain to build a bridge from problem to solution. You're like, Where do I start? And I might say, okay, you might come up with some random so let's try and answer that question again.
00:34:55:04 - 00:35:19:03
Unknown
But this time I want you to go deeper or think about this issue. well then maybe I would study it. Good. Now let's see if we can start an even better place. Could you go further with it? now that I think, like, once you open that up through the questioning and they provide the unaided answer, that's building like a bridge made of steel and cement.
00:35:19:08 - 00:35:43:12
Unknown
Yeah. If I just tell you how you don't, it doesn't mark you. Because what happens? The marking comes inside your brain when you say, I would start here and I go, Yes, that is exactly right. And your like emotion, emotion is stuff inside your body and it marks you. You are permanently. When I start like this, I will succeed.
00:35:43:15 - 00:36:06:18
Unknown
I will never forget this approach right? Yeah. Yeah, I agree with that. As a coach, taking the individual that you're coaching really into that moment and then letting them take the jump and you're like, Good on air. You made the jump, you made the right jump. This is what it's all about. And then once you've got that first step, it's a momentum game.
00:36:06:20 - 00:36:35:19
Unknown
so then what comes next? Well, I probably do this and this and then that, and then I'll do it. Then the picture expands and they've got a roadmap, a roadmap to self-guided self-discovery, self-directed path towards achievement rather than you. Dragging them is the end to drag his into drag it is continually asking questions. It's so powerful in helping people cement how they really have to do that work.
00:36:35:21 - 00:36:59:20
Unknown
You know, when it's foggy Mark and you're like, I have no idea where to start. This is when you explore the sort of the barrier of a bias or dark spot in your brain. And if you just stay there, the human brain is so powerful it will push through. And when they do and you're like, ding, ding, ding, neon lights, well done, the glitter falls down.
00:36:59:22 - 00:37:24:22
Unknown
Then you have made such a breakthrough for somebody because they got there themselves. I've seen it happen, Mike. You know where you've got an individual who, you know, maybe doing a task for the first time and there's some kind of leader or maybe somebody who's a little bit more experienced and they help the individual get to that point.
00:37:24:24 - 00:37:51:16
Unknown
I've seen it or the next stage where the individual has been taught, then educate somebody else. And the difference that you notice in an individual when they go from that moment of learning into, the moment of teaching, obviously there's always the opportunity to learn. And as a teacher you're learning as you teach of course as well. But the process of seeing this individual come to life, you know, they felt confident.
00:37:51:19 - 00:38:22:09
Unknown
They had a smile in their face. They were showing somebody else, kind of like a teacher word. It was it was a remarkable difference in just the way that an individual functioned in their job. And you could see they already went from somebody who probably regarded themselves kind of junior to a certain extent. They almost went up another layer because of that confidence that came from somebody taking them on that journey and helping them go there at their own pace.
00:38:22:11 - 00:38:44:11
Unknown
So like you say, Mike, and this is right on the mark with don't get started, ask what else you know the idea of pushing same with Toyota and then the four whys you know how my five whys I don't leave one too many. Why why is that five anyway? That's it. That's another story. I don't know. But isn't that interesting, Mike?
00:38:44:12 - 00:39:15:23
Unknown
We're seeing again this this element of curiosity. We're seeing this element of driving others to get to the destination for themselves, much like driving a car, perhaps once you've got behind the set of tools and you're trying to figure it out for yourself, along with the assistance of a mentor of a coach to help you guide and get there in the right in the right way, you become much more eloquent on your your tools, much more confident in your abilities to go out and and function.
00:39:16:00 - 00:39:43:10
Unknown
And I think what's so interesting within this whole realm of coaching is, as you pointed out at the beginning, anybody is capable of being a coach. Anybody can do it. You just have to go slow with other people and help them along that journey for them, rather than being the micromanager who tells them what to do. Because what happens then, at least for me, Mike, when I'm working with micromanages in one ear, out the other?
00:39:43:12 - 00:40:07:22
Unknown
Yeah, it's it's, it's really powerful stuff. And if you are interested in Michael Bungay Steiner, we've done a whole series of Michael. You can head over to Moonshot Studio and check out the back catalog. They're well worth a listen. If you're thinking about problem solving, coaching others, being creative. He's got so much to offer, Mike, doesn't he? He really, really does.
00:40:07:22 - 00:40:30:05
Unknown
He's one of our favorites. Please go and check out Moonshot Stereo or in your podcast app of Choice for the Michael Douglas Tanya episodes. Yes, he might not have won the NFL, but he certainly won the hearts of Moonshots listeners. But somebody else who is winning hearts and minds and achieving a high status. Phil Jackson can you believe it, Mike?
00:40:30:07 - 00:40:58:17
Unknown
Can you believe there were already up to a fourth and actually final clip within today's Masters Series episode on coaching. But members, we've got an action packed closer just for you. We're going to dive in again with Phil Jackson, who we recently did a show on the Moonshot show about He's going to reveal a little bit more about this idea of staying in the present moment, as well as the idea of getting back into and staying in the idea of flow.
00:40:58:19 - 00:41:23:22
Unknown
We have a system of basketball. It's called the sideline triangle or had a number of names, triple post top. And so there are a number of names that went along with it. But inside of that was a collective mindset that we called using the offense to read the defense and then at the moment of truth, to make the appropriate action.
00:41:23:24 - 00:42:06:24
Unknown
And Jorge tapped into that moment of truth as part of that experience that we have in meditation, which is to be available at the moment of truth. Yeah, and that's being here now and which is such an important point. So there's a number of things that were going on with our players at this time. Various players could get attached to their feelings, could get attached to a call, could get attached to some fan that was in the stand that was harassing them to get to their family, where someone was interfering with their family's presence while they were playing basketball.
00:42:06:24 - 00:42:35:00
Unknown
It could distract them, you know, So those distractions could multiply during the course of a game. And so we talked about this moment of truth and how to get to this moment of truth that stay in the flow. And that's kind of what we learned from these players was how do we stay there, release that moment that was distract for and get back into the present.
00:42:35:02 - 00:42:58:15
Unknown
And so finding these players ability to do that I think had a lot to do with the fact that George tried a number of methods. We tried little things like a rubber band on the wrist, which is, you know, an ADHD type of thing, you know, snap that rubber band, take a breath that we started to get into this idea.
00:42:58:16 - 00:43:35:11
Unknown
One breath, one mind, which became the next ability is as a group, we're going to sit and we're going to extend this period of thought dropping and just following our breath till we feel like we're one breath, one mind as a group, and then when we get on the basketball court, we're going to try and extend that until we eventually became a team that was playing for themselves, for their own entertainment, for their own hierarchy of needs or of approval.
00:43:35:11 - 00:44:25:01
Unknown
It wasn't about the opponent anymore. It was about how to do this the right way. And we called it appeasing the basketball gods, playing the game the way the way it should be played. Well, there is a reason we left that one to the end, because it's like if you put in the work and if you learn if you search out coaching and mentoring, if you're a true student of your craft and you're always learning with a growth mindset and then with your teammates, because we know life is a team sport, you share, you help and support others, bring them with you, then the power of you being in the zone, so to speak, together
00:44:25:01 - 00:45:02:24
Unknown
with your colleagues, friends, family, when it's one plus one, the math definitely equals three. And so this is really the highest form of coaching where you can give such mentorship, where you can set the conditions for excellence, for self fulfillment, for self-transformation, not only amongst individuals, but as a team. You get to see that one plus one equaling three and that some of a group of people being in the zone.
00:45:02:24 - 00:45:33:15
Unknown
We might know that as Michael Jordan and the Chicago Bulls, we might know that is Steph Curry and the Golden State Warriors. But the beauty of what we've discovered is that we can all have this in different aspects of our lives. This is where we can appease the coaching gods, so to speak, and that is by putting in the work, being of a growth mindset to master something, then share something, then coach it and bring people together around a common mission.
00:45:33:15 - 00:46:03:23
Unknown
This is way beyond coaching. It's way beyond leadership. I believe it's what we're all here to do. Mark Yeah, I think you're right. I think all of us are here to try and get better at what it is that we do. Whether that's an internal journey, whether that's an external facing behavior, there's always a desire to continually evolve, isn't there, at least for us on the Moonshot show as well as all of our listeners on the Master series, We know that everybody's here to to grow, to learn out loud.
00:46:04:00 - 00:46:27:13
Unknown
And I think hearing from Phil in that final clip, I'm calling back to the work that we heard from around Coach John Wooden. It isn't necessarily around getting those titles and being the most successful person in the world or in the room. Instead, it's just being the better version of yourself. And what you do when you're that better version is you can help others, you can inspire others, you can coach others.
00:46:27:15 - 00:46:49:23
Unknown
And gradually over time, when you're meeting your own needs, as Phil puts in that final clip, your own kind of hierarchy of needs, to a certain extent, you can go out and be the most efficient but also best version of yourself to go out and others. I think it's a wonderful little closer, I think, Mike, to this, this journey on coaching that we've we've gone on today.
00:46:50:00 - 00:47:18:18
Unknown
Yeah. And I think the real call to arms here is that we really want to encourage our members to understand that coaching is something we can all participating in. The more you give, the more you get. We heard it. Steve Kerr explicitly said on our show that, yeah, it was great winning some rings with Michael Jordan, but coaching was even better with the Golden State Warriors, not because Steph Curry or Michael Jordan.
00:47:18:18 - 00:47:38:22
Unknown
It wasn't about them. It was about the fact that this time he helped others do it and that gave him a greater reward. So if we all have something to give the world, then we've all got a chance to coach and enjoy that same type of fulfillment and satisfaction. Doing fantastic. I couldn't have put it better myself. And I think you're right, Mike.
00:47:39:02 - 00:48:02:14
Unknown
Maybe next time. When we hit coaching round two or version to on the Masters series, Steve's going to have to get back in and provide us that little bit of tape. You're right, Mike. It's amazing to understand from these fantastic authors, but also record holding athletes and coaches that really it just comes down to others. It comes down to helping other people.
00:48:02:19 - 00:48:24:03
Unknown
What a great call to arms that is. Totally. And of all the things we covered from Belichick to Jackson, which one stood out to you, Mac? Well, I think it's actually going to be Bill I really enjoyed the idea of getting the success and selling the success from benefiting others. You know, that would seem to be a big call out that he shared of.
00:48:24:04 - 00:48:48:20
Unknown
So I'm going to have to go and invest in interface, but I think as well as the terms but I thought is he's cool out there around the shared expertise, bringing the team together, making sure that they're not distracted and they stay in that present moment as much as possible, evens that playing field so everybody learns, hopefully at a similar, similar type of pace and the coaches can do the job that they require.
00:48:48:22 - 00:49:16:12
Unknown
What about you, Mike? Which one standing out to you within this realm and world of coaching? Interesting. look, I'm a big bill Bill Belichick fan. I'll give you that. But I'm probably I mean, the Phil Jackson stuff that felt daunting for me to comprehend, you could have that impact. So I need to get after that and think about, you know, one team, one breath, one mind.
00:49:16:14 - 00:49:45:20
Unknown
I got some homework to do here. Marky Mark, I have a feeling that we all do. Mike There's a lot to learn around coaching. I think that's maybe the the insight. I think you're absolutely right. Well, thank you to you, Mark, and thank you to you, our members here on the Moonshots Master Series Episode 29 on coaching. And that journey started with a little bit of a deep dive into the Bill Belichick success at the New England Patriots most successful NFL coach in history.
00:49:45:22 - 00:50:07:21
Unknown
And he gave us some tenets of team building. Then we moved over to the basketball court where we went to the most successful college coach ever, John Wooden. And we saw his legacy to not only be great on the court, but in life overall. Well, then we got super practical with boom guys staying and we got lots of good questions to help lead people to their destiny.
00:50:07:23 - 00:50:29:01
Unknown
And once you put all those things together, you can be of one breath of one mind. You can stay in the flow thanks to the thoughts of Phil Jackson. And we hope that your of one state of one mind, of one breath. With us here on the Moon Shots Master series, where we're all about you becoming the best version of ourselves, where mastery is obtainable.
00:50:29:03 - 00:50:37:04
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And if that's the case, we want you to have a great holidays and we'll see you in the new year. That's a wrap.